delivered tiie opinion of the Court.
This was an action on the case for slander, brought by *531appellant against appellee, who was superintendent of schools <$f Grundy county, while appellant was principal of the high school at the village of Mazon in the same county.
In August, 1894, appellee examined appellant as to his qualifications, and issued to hima teacher’s certificate of the first grade, and afterward, on September 8, 1896, appellee Issued to appellant a new certificate of the first grade, without further examination.
Appellant was engaged in teaching his third year in the schools of Mazon, when, on Saturday, December 5, 1896, appellee revoked his certificate(and informed him of the reasons therefor. Appellant communicated to the school board the fact that his certificate had been revoked, but at their request taught the school on the following Monday and during the forenoon of Tuesday, on which day appellee visited Mazon, and at a public meeting held in the school house on the afternoon of that day appellee publicly gave his reasons for revoking appellant’s certificate. It is for the language used on that occasion that this suit is brought. The defamatory words charged in the declaration (omitting the innuendoes) are as follows: “ He stole two books; ” “ J. W. Rausch stole two books. ” “ He stole two books from the Grundy County Teacher’s Library Association. ” “ I found one of the books in his possession.” “ I went to the library and found that he had never put these books in the library, and that shows that he intended to steal the books when he first received them as a director of the library.”
To the declaration appellee filed six pleas, the first being the general issue, the second, third and fourth were pleas of justification, while the fifth and sixth pleas averred that the occasion upon which the words were spoken, was in law privileged. A demurrer being sustained to the fifth and sixth pleas, appellee filed two amended pleas and an additional plea, which are designated in the abstract as the “ amended 5th plea, ” “ amended 6th plea, ” and “7th plea.” That it may be seen just what appellee’s defense wás, we here set out his fifth plea in full, which was as follows:
*532“And for a further plea in this behalf, the defendant says that the plaintiff ought not to have his aforesaid action against him, the defendant, because he says that the defendant, before and at the time of the committing of said supposed grievances in the said declaration mentioned, was the duly elected and qualified superintendent of schools in and for the county of Grundy in the State of Illinois; and was then and there in the discharge of his duties as such superintendent of schools; and the said plaintiff was then and there a teacher in district Ho. 7, of the township of Mazon in said Grundy county; and was then and there teaching as a teacher of public schools in said district, under a certificate issued to him by the defendant herein, as such county superintendent of schools. And the defendant further avers that before the time of the supposed grievances in said declaration mentioned, and while the defendant was such-county superintendent of schools, and said plaintiff was teacher in district Ho. 7, the said plaintiff was accused of the embezzlement and larceny of two certain books, each of the value of one dollar, the personal property of the Grundy County Teacher’s Library Association; and which said charge then and there affected the good moral character and qualification of said plaintiff as such teacher of the public schools; and the defendant avers that he then and there, in his official capacity as such county superintendent of schools investigated said accusation, and interviewed said plaintiff in regard thereto; and then and there personally ascertained in the presence of the said plaintiff, that said plaintiff had withheld said books from said Grundy County Teacher’s Library Association,with unlawful intent then and there to convert the same to his own use, and with intent to steal the same; and he then and there found one of the said books concealed by said plaintiff, about the premises of him, the said plaintiff; and that thereupon, and by reason of such immoral conduct on the part of the said plaintiff, he had then and there revoked the certificate of said plaintiff as by law he was authorized to do, and had exercised his authority in that regard conscientiously, with the sole *533desire to do his full duty, and promote the interests of the public, and the interests of the public schools of said Grundy county; that thereupon said plaintiff still persisted in his rights to fill the position of teacher in said district No. 7, notwithstanding such revocation of his certificate, and was then and there endeavoring, publicly and privately, to influence the board of directors and the public of said district 3STo. 7, that the defendant had acted with selfish and improper motives regarding the revocation of such certificate; and was then and there endeavoring to obtain from this defendant a renewal of his said certificate, so that he might continue as such teacher of the public schools in said county of Grundy; and that thereupon the board of directors of said district ISTo. 7 requested the defendant to then and there state his reasons for the revocation of such certificate; and said board of directors then and there met together for the purpose of hearing the statements of this defendant for his official action in so canceling the certificate of the plaintiff, at which meeting the plaintiff was present, and then and there took part in the investigations then and there held, touching the moral conduct of him, the said plaintiff; and the defendant was then and there in his official capacity as such county superintendent of schools, to make known his reasons for the revocation of such certificate, and for his refusal to issue a new certificate to said plaintiff; wherefore the defendant, at same time and place mentioned in said declaration, then and there spoke and published of and concerning the plaintiff, the said several words in the said declaration mentioned, as he was privileged and as it was lawful for him to do, for the cause aforesaid; and this the defendant is ready to verify, wherefore he prays judgment if the plaintiff ought to have his aforesaid action against him,” etc.
The amended sixth plea was substantially like the amended fifth plea, except that it further alleged that after the revocation of the license, the plaintiff was endeavoring to convince the public in said town of Mazon, that appellee, in revoking plaintiff’s certificate,.had acted from personal and *534malicious motives only, and- that plaintiff and his friends were circulating statements to that effect, and avers that he1, the defendant, spoke said words in defense and justification of his official conduct, and with no motive save to state his reasons for revoking said license and for bis refusal to issue a new license.
The seventh plea was not essentially different from the amended sixth plea. A demurrer to these pleas was overruled, and the cause came on for trial by a jury. At the close of the plaintiff’s testimony, the court, on motion of defendant’s counsel, gave to the jury the following instruction:
“ The court instructs the jury that the plaintiff has not. established a cause of action in this case against the defendant, and that you will find the defendant not guilty.”
Whereupon the jury returned a verdict of not guilty. The court overruled a motion for new trial and entered judgment against appellant for the costs of suit, and he brings the case here by appeal.
He insists that the court erred in directing a verdict for the defendant; also in its rulings upon the admission and rejection of evidence, and in overruling his motion for a new trial.
Many witnesses were introduced to prove the speaking of the defamatory words charged in the declaration, and while there was the usual difficulty in getting them to testify t© the exact words as laid, it is quite clear that several of them swore to the precise words charged, so that, upon that point, there was certainly evidence sufficient to go to the jury. We do not understand counsel for appellee to deny that the words charged are prima faei& slanderous and actionable, but they insist that the occasion, and the circumstances under which they were spoken, rendered them absolutely privileged; and this was evidently the ground upon which the court directed a verdict for appellee.
The contention is, that in revoking the certificate of appellant, and giving his reasons therefor, appellee acted in a judicial capacity, and is therefore not responsible for what *535he may have said in relation thereto, on the principle, as laid down by the authorities, that “ no action for slander or libel can be maintained against a judge, or one exercising judicial functions, for anything he may say or write in his judicial capacity upon the trial, or. upon the determination of a cause or matter pending before him; if improper, it may be a ground for his impeachment, or for an application for his removal, but not for an action of slander or libel. * * * No public officer is responsible, in a civil suit, for a judicial determination, however erroneous it may be and however malicious the motive which produced it.” Townshend on S. & L., Sec. 227. ,
It is to be observed, however, that this exemption appears only to apply to what is said or written by the judicial officer “ upon the trial, or upon the determination of a cause or matter pending before him, and while he is acting in a judicial capacity.” The reasons for the rule are obvious and need not be discussed. But we apprehend it has never been held that after the case is determined and the judicial duty is performed and ended, a judge may wantonly or maliciously assail and defame the character of a party or witness in the case, publicly or privately, and shield himself behind the defense of privilege. When acting as a private individual, we suppose a judge to be just as liable to an action for slander as any one else. And by these remarks we do not intend to be understood as intimating: any opinion as to the motives of the appellee in using the language concerning the appellant charged in the declaration, but simply make them as a basis for examining the question as to whether they were absolutely privileged, as claimed by appellee. If appellee had good grounds for believing the charge he made against appellant, that would be a sufficient reason for revoking the certificate; whether that was done in a judicial or ministerial capacity we do not deem it important to discuss. And we are of the opinion appellee had the right, in good faith and for justifiable motives, to communicate to the school board his reasons for revoking the certificate, and that such a com*536munication would have been at least conditionally privileged. Courts generally are not inclined to extend the doctrine of absolutely privileged communications (Cook v. Hill, 3 Sandf. 341), nor are we. In our opinion the trial court was in error in holding the speaking of the words complained of, under the circumstances shown by the evidence, absolutely privileged.
Townshend says, in his work on slander and libel above referred to : “ Instead of the expression ‘ privileged communication,’ it is more correct to say that the communication was made on an occasion which rebuts the presumption of malice.” (Sec. 209.) And in Wright v. Woodgate, 2 Crompton, Meeson & Roscoe, 573, it is said: “ A privileged communication means nothing more than that the occasion of making it rebuts the prima facie inference of malice arising from the publication of matter prejudicial to the character of the plaintiff, and throws upon him the onus of proving malice in fact.” (Quoted approvingly in White v. Nicholls, 3 How. (U. S.) 266.)
The Supreme Court of this State in Gilmer v. Eubank, 13 Ill. 271, say : “ There is a class of cases where the occasion of the speaking of the words may, without regard to their truth or falsity, afford an excuse or justification to the party; such, for instance, as the statements of a master respecting the character of a servant; communications addressed to the appointing power, relative to the conduct of a public officer, or concerning the qualifications of an applicant for office; expressions used in the course of a judicial proceeding by a judge., attorney, witness, juror or party; and communications made to others in confidence, or in the way of admonition or advice. In such cases an action can not be sustained without proof of actual malice. If the party acted from honest motives and for justifiable purposes, the law, from reasons of public policy, excuses him. But he is not permitted, under the pretense of discharging a duty to him, self or society, to inflict an injury to the reputation of another. If he makes use of the occasion for the purpose of traducing another, the occasion will not protect him, and he *537will be answerable for the consequences.” Again in Elam v. Badger, 23 lll. 498, it is said: “ Many cases might be referred to, illustrating the general principle that a publication warranted by an occasion apparently beneficial and honest, is not actionable, in the absence of express malice. But in all these cases, where the occasion is sufficient to raise the question of actual malice, the doctrine must be understood with this limitation, that the times and mode of the speaking the words are suited to the occasion. No speaking of slanderous words can be justified which is not warranted by the occasion and circumstances.”
In nearly all the adjudicated cases on this subject the principle seems to be recognized that proof of express malice will defeat the defense of privilege; that the doctrine of “privileged communication” merely changes the rule of evidence, rebutting the presumption of malice arising from the speaking of defamatory words which would otherwise be actionable per se, and imposing upon the injured party the burden of proving actual or express malice. Whether such malice did or did not actuate and induce the publication is a question for the determination of the jury. (White v. Nicholls, 3 How. (U. S.) 266.) Applying these principles to the case at bar, we are bound to hold that appellant has not had a fair trial.
Beyond the mere speaking of the precise words charged in the declaration, he was not permitted to prove anything whatever of what transpired or was said by appellee at the meeting when the alleged slanderous words were spoken. After several witnesses had sworn to the uttering of the precise words charged in the declaration, counsel for appellant offered to prove that at the same public meeting appellee said, “ I want the opportunity and the chance of meeting J. W. Bausch in the Circuit Court of Grundy County, where I may prove that he is a thief and a rascal, and show him up to the people of Grundy county.” That a witness then said to appellee, “Yes, you would like to get into court to show him up because you are a public officer and your suit would be tried at the public expense *538and it would finally fall on us tax payers to pay the bill.” And that appellee then replied in substance, “ Ho, I don’t make these charges as a public officer; I make them as a private citizen and hold myself personally responsible for everything I have said, and I go into court as a private citizen and not as a public officer; I will defend any suit for damages which Bausch may bring against me, growing out of what I have said, as a private individual and pay my own expenses.” But the court rejected the offer and refused to admit the evidence. In this we think the court was in error. The defense of “ privileged communication ” being interposed and relied upon, it was certainly competent for appellant to prove facts and circumstances, as well as statements of appellee, inconsistent with such defense. It was also proper evidence to go to the jury upon the question of actual malice, and as bearing upon the motives of appellee in making the charges he preferred against appellant. Again, the words complained of imputed to appellant the crime of larceny, and the assertion by appellee that he could prove appellant was a thief, it seems to us was but a repetition of the charge—not in the language complained of in the declaration it is true, but it was using words of like import, although not so specific, and this we understand to be always permissible for the purpose of showing malice. (Schmisseur v. Kreilich, 92 Ill. 347; Ransom v. McCurley, 140 Ill. 626.)
In Rustell v. Macquister, 1 Camp. (Hisi Prius) 49, it was held that, although no evidence can be given of any special damage not laid in the declaration, yet that any words, or any act of the defendant, is admissible to show quo animo he spoke the words which are the subject of the action. (2 Starkie on Slander, 56; Shock v. M’Chesney, 2 Teates (Pa.) 473; Wallis v. Mease, 3 Binney (Pa.) 546.)
Tinder the circumstances of this case we think the evidence should have been admitted. Ho attempt being made to justify the charges by proof that they were true, and the whole defense resting upon the question of privilege, the appellant should have been permitted to prove malice if he *539could, and the defense should have gone to the jury for their determination upon the evidence and under proper instructions. Counsel for appellee, as well as the court below, appear to have laid some stress upon the proposition that appellant knew about the public meeting called for the purpose of allowing appellee to state his reasons for revoking the certificate, which meeting they contend appellant must have known of and consented to, but as to this there seems to be some dispute. However the fact may be, we do not regard it as of controlling importance in the determination of the questions before us. In the end, appellee’s motives in making the charges must be judged by what was said and done by him at the meeting, and as we have seen, beyond the speaking of the precise words charged in the declaration, no proofs were permitted to be made. Our conclusion is that the court below confined the proofs of the appellant within too narrow limits, and applied well known rules of law with too great strictness, whereby he was deprived of a fair opportunity to make out a case if he could.
For the error in excluding proper evidence, and peremptorily directing a verdict in favor of appellee, the judgment will be reversed and the cause remanded for a new trial.
Reversed and remanded.