JOHN R. BROWN, Chief Judge:
The question here is whether, under LMRDA, an attorney engaging in “persuader” activities for an employer must *648report not only his receipts and disbursements in connection with such persuader clients but also all his receipts and related disbursements for non-persuader labor relations advice and service for non-persuader clients. The District Court answered in the affirmative. But in the meantime this Court in Fowler, Part VII, by a divided Court rendered a negative reply.
Because of the importance of the question, internal differences within the Court, and a conflict between Fowler and the Fourth Circuit’s decision in Douglas
we put the Price case before the Court en banc.
This narrow question involves the construction of § 203(b) and (c) of the LMRDA, 29 U.S.C.A. § 433(b), (c). After full reconsideration of the issues involved, we now reject our earlier position in Part VII of Fowler and adopt the view taken by the Fourth Circuit in Douglas. Thus we affirm the decision of the District Court in this case.
Section 203(b) of the LMRDA imposes certain reporting obligations upon persons who enter into persuader arrangements with an employer (see note 2, supra). Specifically, once a persuader undertakes an agreement or arrangement of this nature, he must file both *649“30 day” and annual reports with the Secretary of Labor. The “30 day” reports must be filed with respect to each agreement or arrangement and must set forth the terms of the agreement or arrangement. The annual reports are to be filed with respect to each fiscal year during which payments were made as a result of an agreement of arrangement. It is the annual report which precipitates the problem here. For these reports must contain “a statement (A) of [the Persuader’s] receipts of any kind from employers on account of labor relations advice or services, designating the sources thereof, and (B) of [the Persuader’s] disbursements of any kind, in connection with such services and the purposes thereof.” (29 U.S.C.A. § 433 (b), note 7, supra.)
These words — comprehensive, sweeping and plain enough — do not create the problem. The problem comes from § 203(c) (see note 7, supra) and more specifically from the phrase “by reason of”. This section provides that no person shall be required to file a report covering services “by reason of” such person performing non-persuader labor relations activities. These are defined as the giving or agreeing to give advice to an employer or representing or agreeing to represent an employer before a court, agency or arbitration tribunal, or engaging or agreeing to engage in collective bargaining on behalf of an employer with respect to certain subjects or the negotiation of an agreement or any question arising thereunder.
As the parties square off, the Attorney-litigants recognize that with respect to all labor relations work done during the year for persuader clients a full report must be filed. But with respect to non-persuader clients they contend that nothing need be reported. The Government, on the other hand, urges that the annual report of one purposefully engaging in a single persuader activity must then report for all labor clients — persuader or non-persuader — all receipts received from each of them on account of labor relation advice or services and disbursements of any kind — persuader or non-persuader — in connection with such services. The Fourth Circuit in Douglas adopted the Government’s view. In Fowler, Part VII, a panel of this Court held against the Government. The full Court thus faces a clear choice.
The Attorney-litigants urge broadly that § 203(c) exempts from any reporting anything pertaining to non-persuader labor activities for non-persuader clients. The Government, on the other hand, contends that the effect of § 203(c), and particularly the phrase “by reason of,” is merely to specify those activities or arrangements which will not “trigger” the reporting requirements of subsection (b), even though such activities or arrangements could be construed to have an object of indirectly “persuading” employees. The phrase “by reason of” is then transmuted to read, “no person need file a report because of his giving or agreeing to give advice * *
As we side with the Fourth Circuit’s view, we draw freely on the Douglas opinion. The Court first points out that the “annual report must designate the source and amount of ‘receipts of any kind from employers on account of labor relations advice or services’, § (b) (A)” and then goes on to emphasize that “highly relevant is the reference to ‘advice’ ”, 353 F.2d at 32. Since the definition of a persuader in § 203(b) (1)-(2) does not include one who gives *650labor relation “advice,” the Court quite naturally emphasized that “the language literally requires a report of payments for other advice * * * Conversely, the Court went on, unless “ * * * ‘advice’ in [§ 203(c)] embraces independent advice, it has no meaning whatsoever.” Here the meaning of “advice” as used in § 203(c) becomes important, and all would agree with the Court that as “the word appears in § (c), it plainly refers to advice apart from the statutory * * * ” persuader activities. When that same meaning is needed to give sense or purpose to its use in § 203(b), it leads to the conclusion that disclosure for all labor relation clients is the price the Attorney-persuader must pay if he wishes to engage in those activities. The legislative judgment that one who engages in the persuader business must be subjected to the pressure of revealing publicity is amply justified by the difficulty in distinguishing between those activities that are persuader activities and those that are not, and by the opportunity for misleading concealment of the true nature of such Attorney’s work in situations involving intricate corporate conglomerate associates or, equally pressing, industry-wide labor controversies. Behind this judgment, of course, was the congressional conviction that quite without regard to the motives or methods of particular individuals engaging in it, the persuader business was detrimental to good labor relations and the continued public interest. Since a principal object of LMRDA was neutralizing the evils of persuaders, it was quite legitimate and consistent with the Act’s main sanction of goldfish-bowl publicity to turn the spotlight on the lawyer who wanted not only to serve clients in labor relations matters encompassed within § 203(c) but who wanted also to wander into the legislatively suspect field of a persuader.
Accepting this reading does not make § 203(c) useless. Rather, sweeping as is § (b), the purpose of § 203(c) was “to make explicit what was already implicit in § 203(b), to guard against misconstruction of § 203(b). * * * and § 203(c) was inserted * * * to remove from the coverage of § 203(b) those grey areas where the giving of advice and participation in legal proceedings and collective bargaining could possibly be characterized as exerting indirect persuasion * * Fowler, Part VI, 372 F.2d at 330.
Like the Fourth Circuit, we think this reading is supported, if not compelled, by the legislative history of the Act. The distinction between the usual practice of labor relations law and persuader activities was emphasized, and additional stress was placed upon the persuader’s responsibilities under the Act, including the duty to report. Very pointed was *651the Senate report concerning the predecessor of § 203(b) and (c) as enacted in 1959. After stating that a persuader would be required to file a detailed report, it graphically contrasted this with the non-persuader attorney:
“ * * * An attorney or consultant who confines himself to giving legal advice, taking part in collective bargaining and appearing in court or administrative proceedings would not be included among those required to file reports under this subsection [§ (b) ]. Specific exemption for persons giving this type of advice is contained in subsection (c) of section 103.” (Emphasis added.) And, from the succeeding portion set out in Fowler, Part V, it was made doubly clear. The “committee did not intend to have the reporting requirements of the bill apply to attorneys * * * [who] do not engage in activities of the type listed in section 103(b) [now 203(b) ].” 372 F.2d at 327.
Nor does the single excerpt from the Senate report relied on by the majority in Fowler, Part VII, 372 F.2d at 334, require a contrary conclusion. In full context the descriptive phrase “a report covering” does not diminish the persuader’s duty to report non-persuader fees and disbursements.
It boils down to this. As long as the attorney limits himself to the activities set forth in § 203(c), he need not report. Engaging in such advice or collective bargaining does not give rise to a duty to report. No report is set in motion “by reason of” his doing those things. What sets the reporting in motion is performing persuader activities. Once that duty arises, § 203(c) does not insulate from reporting the matters in § 203(b) for non-persuader clients.
The upshot is that in affirming the District Court in Price we overrule the contrary result in Fowler, Part VII. Affirmed.
DYER, Circuit Judge, with whom GEWIN, COLEMAN, AINSWORTH and GODBOLD, Circuit Judges,
join, dissenting :
The majority answers in the affirmative the question whether the “comprehensive, sweeping and plain” language of section 203 of the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959, 29 U.S.C.A. § 401 et seq., requires an At*652torney-persuader to report receipts and disbursements for nonpersuader labor relations advice and service for nonper-suader clients. By narrowly concentrating upon juxtapositions of words and italicizations of bits of legislative history, the majority, along with the Fourth Circuit, the court below, the now-disclosed-dissenter to Part VII of Fowler, and perhaps the stern grammarians, thus accepts the Government’s contention that a single “persuader” activity by an Attorney-persuader “triggers” a report for all labor clients. With deference, I suggest that the shots thus triggered are neither necessary nor constitutional. Therefore I dissent.
Preliminarily I note that the purpose of the Act was to publicize persuader activity, not nonpersuader activity. In section 203(b) of the Act, 29 U.S.C.A. § 433(b), persuaders are required to file two reports with the Secretary of Labor, but various exemptions from reporting are provided in other sections, including sections 203(c) and 204, 29 U.S.C.A. §§ 433(c) and 434, which are pertinent here. Section 204 exempts privileged communication between an attorney and his client, while section 203(c) exempts persons from filing a report covering their services “by reason of” advisory or representative services. The entire Act, as should be immediately apparent from the multiplicity of exemptions and protections accorded by the Act, is directed solely at disclosure of persuader activity. Yet the majority, through elaborate analysis of the language and history of section 203(c), concludes that receipts and disbursements for nonpersuader legal services must also be reported, with the sources of receipts designated and the purposes of disbursements divulged.
Not only is this strange result reached, а, result which the close division of this Court suggests is by no means “compelled”, but there are no apparent limitations to it. By the revelation of receipts and disbursements, the “spot light” and “potent weapon” of “glaring”, “goldfish-bowl publicity” is flashed upon the private and confidential, if not privileged, affairs of necessarily affected innocent persons who chanced to receive advice or services in the area of “labor relations”, whatever that is, during the “fiscal year”, whenever that is, from an attorney who happened extracurricularly to engage in “persuader activities”, whatever they are. It evidently does not matter whether the exposed client had any knowledge of the attorney’s persuader activities, nor whether the client received the advice or services before or after the persuader activities, nor whether the advice or services were material, or even relevant, to any persuader activities, nor whether the client even knows what “persuader" activities are. Through a species of guilt by association an innocent pre-persuader client is to be “sanctioned” for having received “labor relations” advice from an Attorney-persuader, with the client’s confidential affairs glaringly publicized as the “price, albeit perhaps a high one” which the Attorney-persuader somehow is to pay. The price is indeed wholesale.
*653Thus does the majority interpret the will of Congress, drawing “the conclusion that disclosure for all labor relation clients is the price the Attorney-persuader must pay if he wishes to engage in those activities.” Despite the fact that not merely the Attorney-persuader is affected by such disclosure, despite (in fact because of) the difficulty .in determining what is or is not persuader activity, and despite the fact that involved are the most important and fundamental freedoms — the freedoms of speech and association and the freedom to be secure from unwanted and unwarranted governmental intrusions upon private affairs, the right to be left alone — the majority requires, at the risk of fine and imprisonment, “goldfish-bowl publicity” to be shone on private matters. For reasons supported only by the most circular and unconvincing arguments the majority forces the Attorney-persuader to deliver up to the Government data which the Government itself could not constitutionally discover, much less publicize. Why?
Apart from the legislative history or statutory language of section 203(c), two, or perhaps three, reasons for interpreting the Act to require disclosure of nonpersuader data related to nonper-suader clients have been casually suggested. The first argument made, Wirtz v. Fowler, 5 Cir. 1966, 372 F.2d 315, 334, was that Congress by visiting glaring publicity on all labor clients would indirectly discourage persuader activities by attorneys, since eventually “clients who did not believe in such tactics would retain other counsel to achieve secrecy.” Id. As there noted, this argument is unconvincing because the absence of limitations in point of time and knowledge tends to preclude indirect deterrence. The affairs of clients who received advice prior to any persuader activity or of clients without knowledge of the attorney’s persuader activity would nonetheless be disclosed under the Government and majority’s interpretation.
Another justification advanced is that persuader activity is difficult to distinguish. Yet it has been noted that for the purposes of the present inquiry the question of whether there has been “persuader” activity is not relevant. Id. at 330. Also, in view of the criminal penalties attached to nondisclosure in section 209, 29 U.S.C.A. § 439, it would appear that a stricter construction would be more preferable.
A rationalization more suggestive of the Government’s underlying motivation is that disclosure of all labor relations information by the Attorney-persuader is calculated to ease the Government’s enforcement obligations by limiting “the opportunity for misleading concealment of the true nature of such Attorney’s work in situations involving intricate corporate conglomerate associates or, equally pressing, industry-wide labor controversies.” Clearly the opportunity for concealment would be lessened, and presumably the Government would be quite willing to force the Attorney-persuader to do some of its work for it. There are, however, three difficulties with this argument.
First, it is, at least in part, circular. The Government wishes this Court to interpret the Act to require nonpersuader activity to be reported so that it can, as here, enforce failures to report nonper-suader activity which the Act should be interperted to require, so failures can be enforced. Obviously this Court should not interpret the Act to require something to be done solely so that failure to *654do it results in enforcement. The proper course is to have a valid independent reason for a reporting requirement and then prosecute failures to report under that. To a degree that indirectly does occur here, in that having all labor relations advice and services required to be reported means that questionable instances will be reported so that, perhaps, some persuader activity will be revealed which would not otherwise have been reported. To the degree that the disclosure of nonpersuader activity aids indirect enforcement of reports of persuader activity, however, the interpretation would be both redundant and unconstitutional.
Initially, it should be recognized that the effect of the interpretation is to require automatic discovery: once an Attorney-persuader reports one instance, all conceivably related activities and a few unrelated activities must be reported. What is “triggered” is an automatic interrogatory, an automatic subpoena. This is so regardless of whether the requested information is related to the violation of any statute, regardless of whether there has been a failure to report any matter which Congress permissibly could require to be reported, regardless of the confidentiality of the matters reported, regardless of the report’s tendency to discourage constitutionally protected associational rights and to intrude into areas of privacy, and regardless of whether there is any independent basis for believing a violation of statute or a crime has occurred. In essence, then, it is an irrelevant interrogatory to a party where there has been no lawsuit; a subpoena without requirements of relevancy; a search warrant without probable cause; an interpretation without constitutional support.
It must be emphasized that the rights with which we are here concerned are fundamental First and Fourth Amendment rights. That labor relations employers have the right to speak to attorneys regarding their business labor relations, to associate with attorneys for lawful legal advice, and to have private affairs of a lawful nature protected from governmental intrusion is beyond dispute. That the attorneys as well as the employers enjoy the same rights seems also beyond dispute. That the particular matters, financial affairs including the amounts and sources of receipts and the amounts and purposes of disbursements, are of a confidential nature should be equally clear. And that disclosure by the attorney must necessarily expose and affect the client-employer is just as certain.
It would appear to me that a person’s financial affairs are his concern and no one else’s absent some other factor. For example, “[a] bank should, as a general policy, consider information received concerning its customers as confidential, which it should not disclose to others without clear justification.” 1 Paton’s Digest (1940) at 16, Opinion 19-1. (For an excellent discussion of privacy in financial matters see the opinion of Judge Swann in Milohnich v. First Nat’l Bank, Fla.App. 1969, 224 So.2d 759 [No. 68-1025, May, 1969]; see also Peterson v. Idaho First Nat. Bank, 1961, 83 Idaho 578, 367 P.2d 284, 92 A.L.R.2d 891.) To inquire about such matters absent some govérnmental interest would seem to fall quite clearly within the Fourth Amendment’s protection of the “right of the people to be secure in their * * * papers and effects.” Implicit in that Amendment’s prohibition against a search warrant issuing “but upon probable cause” is the constitutional assumption that generally the affairs of private citizens are of no governmental concern. Involved are basic associational rights, including the “right of general privacy, a right at times conspicuously absent in this, ‘the land of the free.’" Note, 23 U.Miami L.Rev. 231, 233 (1968).
I disagree that we are here concerned with a mere “legislative judgment, wholly unrelated to notions of professional ethics, the legitimate practice of law, as to which [the majority’s] opinion casts no aspersions.” Majority Opinion, supra at n. 13. By examining the effect of the majority’s disclosure requirement, *655both on innocent clients and innocent attorneys, it is clear that we are here dealing with “the right to be let alone — the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men.” Olmstead v. United States, 1928, 277 U.S. 438, 478, 48 S.Ct. 564, 572, 72 L.Ed. 944. (Brandeis, J., dissenting). See Generally 31 Law & Contemporary Problems 251-435 (1966). If it were the legislative judgment to impinge upon this right in an attempt indirectly to do what the Government could not do directly, then it was not only bad, it was unconstitutional. What the majority ignores is the very important fact that for aught that appears from the record, there has been no failure to report any persuader activity which, as initially noted, is what the Act was passed to reveal.
Where an attorney specializes in labor law, the effect of the majority’s interpretation is to authorize a pro forma search of virtually all his financial data following lawful activity.
Anyone who respects the spirit as well as the letter of the Fourth Amendment would be loath to believe that Congress intended to authorize one of its subordinate agencies to sweep all our traditions into the fire, and to direct fishing expeditions into private papers on the possibility that they may disclose evidence of crime. * * * The interruption of business, the possible revelation of trade secrets, and the expense that compliance with the [Secretary’s] wholesale demand would cause are the least considerations. It is contrary to the first principles of justice to allow a search through all [of a private citizen’s] records, relevant or irrelevant, in the hope that something will turn up. * * *
Federal Trade Comm. v. American Tobacco Co., 1924, 264 U.S. 298, 305-306, 44 S.Ct. 336, 337, 68 L.Ed. 696 (emphasis added). I am unable to distinguish any meaningful difference between the disclosure requirement the majority here reads into the Act and a subpoena or an interrogatory or other forms of discovery. Yet these are authorized only following the existence of facts indicating a statute has been or is about to be violated, and any violation of the statute here is not due to activity Congress lawfully could proscribe.
For some reason the majority does not here discuss United States v. Harriss, 1954, 347 U.S. 612, 74 S.Ct. 808, 98 L.Ed. 989, which in my view indicates the manner in which this statute should be construed. In Harriss the Supreme Court intrepreted the Federal Regulation of Lobbying Act, 2 U.S.C.A. §§ 261-270, under which the appellees had been charged “with failure to report the solicitation and receipt of contributions to influence the passage of legislation” and “expenditures having the same single purpose.” Id. at 615, 74 S.Ct. at 810 (emphasis added). (The Lobbying Act and the Disclosure Act are analogous.) The Court in Harriss was not faced with precisely the same question as sub judice because it construed the Lobbying Act so as to avoid it, using very significant language. After holding that persons under the Lobbying Act need only report “contributions and expenditures having the purpose of attempting to influence legislation through direct communication with Congress,” id. at 623, 74 S.Ct. at 815 (emphasis added), the Court noted that as “[t]hus construed [the Act did] not violate the freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment — freedom to speak, publish, and petition the Government.” Id. at 625, 74 S.Ct. at 815. The Court noted that, as construed, the Act
has merely provided for a modicum of information from those who for hire attempt to influence legislation or who collect or spend funds for that purpose. It wants only to know who is being hired, who is putting up the money, and how much. Id. (emphasis added).
The Court went on to state that under the particular circumstances, “Congress, at least within the bounds of the Act as [the Court] construed it, is not constitutionally forbidden to require the disclosure of lobbying activities.” Id. But it noted that its construction was based *656on a self-protective theory and that Congress had used its power of self-protection “in a manner restricted to its appropriate end.” Even in such a case as Harriss, however, where the Supreme Court took pains to construe the Act in admitted efforts to save its constitutional validity, the Court noted that its decision was calculated to avoid indirect restraints on First Amendment freedoms. Due to the Court’s limiting efforts, the restraints there hypothesized were whittled down to unreasonable remoteness, id. at 626, 74 S.Ct. 808, but even then there were vigorous dissents. In the case sub judice, where fears by innocent clients are as immediate as they are apparent, rather than construing the statute so as to eliminate them the majority construes the statute so as to cause them.
While the rights of privacy, speech and association involved here are relatively apparent, the case has another aspect. By failing to place knowledge or time limitations upon the disclosure the effect upon pre-persuader clients is difficult to justify on any theory of waiver. This failing has overtones of Fifth Amendment Due Process.
It is by now apparent that I perceive grave constitutional deficiencies in the majority’s interpretation of the Disclosure Act. I cannot justify the immediate effect of the majority’s interpretation upon any theory of indirect deterrence, vagueness of language, or prevention of concealment, since the first need not occur, the second will not be cured, and the third is provided for in the enforcement sections of the Act and by normal rules of discovery. The constitutional difficulties inherent in the majority’s interpretation can easily be, as in Harriss, supra, construed out of the Act under sections 203(c) or 204 due to the statute’s lack of clear language or pedigree. This approach was taken in Fowler, Part VII, supra, 372 F.2d at 333, and its nuances need not be iterated. To construe the Act as requiring disclosure only regarding an attorney’s persuader clients is to leave the Act directed solely at activity “by so-called ‘labor relation consultants,’ ” Fowler, supra at 324. That is where the spotlight should shine.
I would reverse the District Court in Price and affirm Fowler, Part VII.