The learned counsel for the appellant presses upon our consideration upon this appeal numerous exceptions taken upon the trial and in the proceedings in the action. We have examined them with the care which the importance of the subject demands, and do not deem it important to direct our attention upon this review to any of the points made by the counsel except the following : First, the admission of the judgment roll in the action of Eich against Tiffany in evidence; second, as to the sufficiency of the second count in the indictment; third, as to the admission of the evidence concerning the defendant’s membership of a Baptist church, and the admission of 'proof or the proceedings in the supreme court to disbar, and the disbarment of, the defendant as an attorney at law ; fourth, the *177denial of the motion for a new trial upon the ground of newly-discovered evidence.
Upon tiie trial the people offered in evidence the judgment •oil in Rich against Tiffany. It was a history of the proceedings E the trial and of the judgment, and it was important to estabidh a disputed fact as to the date of the referee’s report, and to how the relations of the defendant to the case, the people claiming hat this record was evidence that the claim of the defendant hat lie in any manner represented the heirs at'law of Taylor in hat action was without foundation, and that, as he was acting s attorney for the executors, he could not also represent the ther parties to the action, and that, therefore, his claim for ompensation as against Rich and his clients could not be mainiued. We think this judgment roll was competent for the urposes claimed by the people, and for other purposes, and we nd no reversible error in its admission as evidence; nor was iere error in the ruling by the trial court as to the sufficiency ' the second count in the indictment. This count charged as fact that in the transaction concerning the $250 received by e defendant from Rich Dortby was the servant, agent, attorney, d bailee of Rich, and occupied a fiduciary relation to him. It contended by the learned counsel for the defendant that this s not a sufficient allegation to establish such an agency or re-ion, but that the indictment should have set fourth the facts owing the agreement which constituted the defendant an ent, bailee, or attorney, and that the allegations in the indictnt are mere conclusions of law; but it is usually sufficient, d we hold it in this case to be sufficient, if the indictment rs the offense as the statute defines it to be. Phelps v. People, N. Y. 349; People v. Weldon, 111 N. Y. 569, 574, 19 N. 279; Eckhardt v. People, 83 N. Y. 462 ; People v. West, 6 N. Y. 293, 12 N. E. 610. Folger. J., said in Phelps v. People, supra:
‘ If the indictment avers the offense as the statute defines it, averment is sufficient; for the rule is that while, in framing ndictment on a statute, all the circumstances which constitute definition of the offense in the statute itself, so as to bring accused precisely within it, must be stated, yet ixo other de*178scription of the thing in which the offense was committed is necessary to he stated than that contained in the statute itself."
The terms “ servant," “ agent, ” “ attorney," and “ bailee,” used in this indictment in describing the defendant in his relation to this money charged to have been stolen, are terms well understood both at law and in common parlance, and the defendant could not in any manner have been prejudiced, or misled by the use of any of these terms, and they are the same terms used in the statute itself. But more serious questions confront us. Upon the trial the defendant was sworn as a witness in his own behalf, and, after testifying to matters in issue, lie was cross-examined by the district attorney, and we quote from the record :
“ Q. You were a member of the Baptist Church once, weren’t you ? (Mr. Van Voorhis objected to the question as incompetent and immaterial. Received, and exception.) A. I was. Q. Are you a member now ? (Same objection by Mr. Van Voorhis. Received, and exception.) A. Ho. sir. Q. • Bid you state, in a communication to the Baptist Church authorities of the city of Rochester, or any of them, that, while they had withdrawn from you the hand of Christian fellowship, that you should still continue to work in the cause of Christ? (Mr. Voorhis objected as incompetent and immaterial, because that any statement he had made in a letter can only be proved by the letter. Received, and exception.) A. My answer is that all the communications I had with the Second Baptist Church are in writing, and I desire to produce them, if you are going into the subject I said, in one communication, that, notwithstanding their action, I should still continue to be interested ii the cause. I am not here to say whether I am a moral gentle man or not. I so regard myself."
This matter was strictly collateral to the issues being tried and was not authorized by any portion of the direct examinatioi of the witness. The effect of the testimony was to prove tha the defendant had once been a member of the Baptist Churcl in good standing and had been expelled therefrom for som cause which the church deemed sufficient. The purpose of th people in giving this evidence was to discredit the defendant r *179witness. It was very important testimony, and may have placed a heavy hand upon the defendant upon his trial for crime. The exact effect upon the jury we cannot predict, as such evidence affects different minds differently, but upon a jury carefully drawn 'from a law-abiding and religious community the effect must have been disastrous to the defendant. The question now is whether that evidence was competent. We will discuss this in connection with a difficulty which we shall presently meet, and in connection with the authorities to be presented. Upon the cross-examination of the defendant by the district attorney, that officer, holding in his hand what purported to he charges of the bar association of Rochester against the defendant as an attorney, and for which proceedings for disbarment had occurred, asked a question, and the following proceedings occurred:
J. You were suspended from the practice of law by the supreme court of this state? (Objected to by defendant’s counsel ns incompetent and immaterial. Beceived. and exception by defendant.) A. Yes, sir; I was. Q. And you were suspended ipon the charges which were those which I have already shown fou ? (Mr. Yan Yoorhis objected as incompetent and immaterial) md upon the farther ground that the charges were not in evienee. Beceived; exception by defendant.) A. I say I was uspended. I do not answer that either by yes or no, because was not suspended upon all the charges. Q. Was there one >f them that you were not suspended upon ? (This was objected oas incompetent and immaterial Beceived, and defendant ex-epted.) A. Yes, sir; there was one. Q. These charges were tried erore a referee, Mr. Farnum ? A. The testimony was taken efore him. They were not tried before him. Q. Yon were worn as a witness on those proceedings ? A. Yes, sir. Q. nd the referee made his report to the appellate court of this tate of the facts? (Same objection by defendant’s counsel, iiling, and exception. Uot answered.) Q. Did either the refee or the supreme court find you guilty ? (Same objection defendant’s counsel Same ruling and exception.) A. The preme court did, and the referee reported against me, but the feree did not try me on any of them. * * * Q. Isn’t it *180true that one of the charges upon which you were tried and found guilty and disbarred was that John J. Eudman was appointed executor of the estate of Betsey Benham, and that you acted as attorney for John J. Eudman, and caused said Eudman to invest on a bond and mortgage made by Mary Curran for $313.00 and the sum of $675.00 on a bond and mortgage by Louise Schaad for $1,350.00, and upon a bond and mortgage by William Sanbun, all of whom were clients of yours; and that you thereafter received payments of such mortgages, and did not pay the same over to said Eudman as executor ? Wasn’t that one of the charges? (Mr. VanVoorhis objected as incompetent and immaterial, and further upon the ground that he cannot prove the contents of a written paper in that way. Eeceived ; exception by defendant.) A. That was one of the charges. Q. And wasn’t one of the charges that was made against you by the bar association, upon which you were found guilty and disbarred, that one Margaret McGill, of the city of Eochester, retained you to act as her attorney, and procured a loan upon her property at Wo. 38 Penn street, in the city of Eochester, of one Murdock, and that you did procure said Margaret McGill to execute a mortgage for $900 on her said property to one Mary S. Chapman, and caused said mortgage to be recorded in Monroe county clerk’s office, and did you receive from said Mary S. Chapman an assignment of the mortgage held by you, held by one John Motley, for eight hundred dollars, and her check for $90.00, and that you sold said mortgage to G. Denton Smith for the sum of $760.00 and his check of $50.00, and converted the same to you own use? (Mr. Van Voorhis objected as leading, incompetent, and immaterial, and as putting in evidence the contents of a paper without introducing the paper itself. Eeceived, and exception by defendant.) A. I think that is the substance of the charge which was found against me by the referee, and affirmed by the appellate court of this department. Q. And wasn’t one of the charges which was made against you, and on which you were tried, found guilty, and disbarred, that you falsely represented to one Mary and Charles Williamson, while you were acting for them as attorney, that Charlotte A. Lord then held a mortgage for the sum of $800.00 upon the property *181of said Williamson, and desired them to make a payment of $200.00 upon the principal sum of said mortgage, and that in consideration of such payment she would reduce the rate of interest upon the balance of said mortgage, being the sum of $600, to five per cent, and relying upon said representations that Charles and Mary Williamson, or one of them, paid you as attorney the sum of $200.00, to be by you paid to said Lord upon the mortgage held by her, and that you converted said $200.00 to your own use, with the intent of converting it to your own use ? (Same objection as before. Same exception by defendant. Same ruling.) A. That was one of the charges which was reported against me by the referee, and which was affirmed by the appellate court of this department. Q. And upon which you were disbarred ? A. Certainly, I was disbarred. Q. Was one of the charges upon which'you were found guilty and disbarred that upon the 27th day of May, 1895, when Mary Williamson was subpoenaed by the district attorney of the county of Monroe to appear before the grand jury of the county of Monroe, then in session in the city of Rochester, and to bring with her certain receipts then held by the said Mary Williamson relating to the mortgage referred to in my last question, that you then and there advised said Mary Williamson not to appear before the grand jury pursuant to said subpoena, and advised her that no harm would come to her if she did not come before the grand jury in obedience to said subpoena. (Same objection, ruling, and exception by defendant.) A. That was the substance, as I remember, of that charge, which was found against me by Referee Farnum, whose report was affirmed by the supreme court of this department, and I was disbarred. Q. Wasn’t one of those charges that was made against you, and upon which you were found guilty, and disbarred, that on the 12th day of August, 1898, Mrs. Munson gave her check for the sum of $1,000.00, and handed the check to her husband, to be delivered to you, and it was so delivered, to be used by you in the purchase of the mortgage known as the 1 Baird Mortgage ’ on the residence of Dr. Riggs upon Rutger street, and that'you never applied it to that use, but applied the money to your own use ? (Same objection, ruling, and exception by defendant.) A. That was *182one of the charges that the referee reported against me, and his report was affirmed by the appellate division of the supreme court.”
These questions and answers indicate, and the record discloses, that prior to the trial of Dorthy for larceny proceedings had been taken by the Bar Association, of Bocliester upon the charges indicated by the above questions and others to disbar Dorthy, and upon application to the general term of the Fifth department a referee had been appointed, who took evidence and sustained by his report all but one of the eight charges which had been preferred against the defendant, and that this court had affirmed the report of the referee, and disbarred the defendant. All of the evidence was called out upon this subject by the district attorney over strenuous objections by the defendant’s counsel, except such as the defendant gave upon his redirect examination after the foregoing questions had been answered by the defendant. The matter was wholly collateral to the matters in issue upon the trial of the defendant, and was eoncededly introduced for the purpose of discrediting him as a witness. The effect of these questions and answers was to show that the referee and the appellate division of the supreme court had in this proceeding convicted Dorthy of several larcenies not connected with the one upon which he was on trial, and of one attempt to suppress testimony which should have been submitted to the grand jury. The learned district attorney insists that it was proper to interrogate the defendant, and call out this evidence from him, because it proved facts of misconduct and crime on his part which it was competent to show for the purpose of destroying his credit as a witness. This we deem an extraordinary proposition, in view of the settled law of this state. The proposition is simply this: that it is competent to ask a witness upon cross-examination, not as to his own acts, but as to the acts, conclusions, and opinions of others, not in a criminal proceeding, not upon a conviction for a crime, not upon a trial in accordance with rules of criminal law, but in a civil proceeding,—in an investigation to determine whether a man should be turned out of a church, or a society, or of a bar association, or deprived of the privilege of practicing law, or of some other franchise. The *183court of appeals oí this state has directly declared against this proposition in several cases. In Nolan v. Railroad Co., 87 N. Y. 63, 68, an exception was taken to the ruling of the court permitting a witness to be asked on his cross-examination if he had been expelled from a fire department. The court said the question was improper, because the fact sought to be proved was neither pertinent to the issue nor did it relate to any specific fact which tended to discredit the witness, or impeach his moral character. In People v. Brown, 72 N. Y. 571, the rule was laid down that where a defendant in a criminal action takes the stand as a witness in his own behalf, he is subject to the rule as to the examination of other witnesses, a'nd is not thereby deprived of his rights as a party. His counsel may speak for him while he is a witness, and an error committed by the court against him may inure to his benefit as a party, and that it was error to ask such a witness how many times he had been arrested. In People v. Crapo, 76 N. Y. 288, it was also held to be error to ask a defendant in a criminal case if he had been arrested. In Ryan v. People, 79 N. Y. 593, it was held that it could not be shown by a witness upon his cross-examination that he had been indicted for an offense. In Lindsley v. Miller, 3 App. Div. 127, 128, 39 N. Y. Supp. 393, this court held that it was not competent, in order to affect the credibility of a witness, to ask him if “ he had never been charged with 1 crooked driving,’ and if he had not recently been taken out of his sulky at Syracuse for ‘ crooked driving.” Follett, J., said :
“ The purpose of the question was to affect the defendant’s credibility, and that the tendency of it and of the answer was to prejudice him before the jury. It is well settled in this state that it is not competent to ask a witness on his cross-examination for the purpose of affecting his credibility if he had been charged with crimes or misdemeanors, or if he had been turned out of a social organization.”—citing many cases.
At common law, persons convicted of infamous crimes were excluded from being witnesses altogether, but by statutes adopted in most of the United States the disqualification of infamy is removed, and the conviction may be proved to affect credibility (1 Whart. Ev. § 397), and by our Penal Code, § 714, a person *184convicted of a crime is a competent witness in any cause or proceeding, civil or criminal, but the conviction may be proved for the purpose of affecting the weight of his testimony, either by the record of a conviction or by bis cross-examination. The rule goes no further than to permit the witness to be asked as to specific facts or acts in his own career which tend to discredit him, or to impeach his moral character; and that only to a reasonable extent, within the discretion of the court, subject to review, however, if that discretion is abused (Ryan v. People, supra; People v. Irving, 95 N. Y., 544-546, and cases cited ; Spiegel v. Hays, 118 N. Y. 660, 22 N. E. 1105); and this was an extension of the rule which did not permit the examination into specific acts of a witness to discredit him. 1 Whart. Ev. § 56. Judge Folger said, in People v. Crapo, 76 N. Y., at page 291, as late as 1879, in quoting from Grreenleaf:
“ The great question, however, whether a witness may not be bound in some eases to answer an interrogatory to his own moral degradation, when, though it is collateral to the main issue, it is relevant to his character for veracity, has not been brought into direct and solemn judgment, and must, therefore, be regarded as an open question.”
This statement indicates the extreme caution with which the courts have at last reached the conclusion that a witness may testify as to collateral acts of his own tending to prove his moral degradation, but it has never been the law that a witness may be compelled to testify to the conclusions of others to prove such moral degradation, or to impeach him as a witness, except it be the conviction of a crime, or such confinement in prisons or jails as would indicate a conviction. The reason of this distinction is plain. Where a person is interrogated as to his own acts, he is supposed to be familiar with what he himself has done, and can give any explanation that may exist consistent with his innocence; and, as the question is collateral to the issues on trial, his answer concludes the other side, and he cannot be contradicted. But, if he is interrogated concerning the acts and decisions of others which tend to disgrace him. the case is different. He may not be able to protect himself by explanation. He may be ignorant of the facts upon which the acts or con*185elusions of others are based. The court will n.ot stop to try the merits of such collateral accusations, and the witness may thus be injured and disgraced by results for which he is not responsible.
Section 714 of the Penal Code, which we have cited, has no application to this case. A person under pur system of jurisprudence can only be convicted of a crime after a fair trial in the appointed way, where he can be fully heard in his defense, and where he can be protected by all the presumptions with which the law surrounds • a defendant upon his trial for crime. A conviction upon such a trial may be properly shown to impair the credit of a witness, though it is the act of others. It is the deliberate act of the law upon a trial duly had before the court and a jury. But the proceeding to disbar an attorney under sections 67-69 .of the Code of Civil Procedure is a summary one. It is not a trial. It is simply an investigation. A copy of the charges must be delivered to the attorney, and he may be heard in an informal way in his defense. The result of the proceeding can only be a suspension or removal from the courts of the state. Section 69. If the attorney has been convicted of a felony, he may be disbarred for [that reason alone.
I As we have seen, a witness cannot be compelled to state [whether he has been indicted. An indictment is an accusation [from a body charged and sworn to investigate crime upon the [oath of witnesses, and it acts judicially. If its conclusions canInotbe shown to discredit a witness, upon-what principle should Icharges made by a bar or any other association be given in evidence? The court of appeals has said in the proceedings to Idisbar the defendant (152 N. Y. 601, 46 N. E. 837) that 61 the fcffect of the proceeding to disbar is not criminal, and is not intended for punishment, but to protect the court from the official fcninistration of persons unfit to practice as attorneys therein.” The charges of the bar association and the report of the referee Bvere simply charges, not facts, and did not prove facts ; but in Bhe estimation of the jury the disbarment of the defendant upon Bhese serious charges by this court may have had all the effect Bf convictions for crime upon a trial duly had. The learned *186trial court charged the jury upon this subject as follows, after speaking of this court having disbarred the defendant:
“ You have a right, therefore, to assume that they investigated these charges carefully; that they would-not have disbarred the defendant, who was charged with so many serious offenses, without having fully and carefully investigated the charges. So far as these charges are concerned, we must take the decision of the appellate division as binding upon this court. But, gentlemen, while I lay down that as a rule of law it is wholly immaterial as to what the appellate division may have held unless it tends to impair the character or credibility of Dorthy’s testimony in this case. Upon that point, and that point alone, it is material.”
The evidence was, therefore, permitted to have its full force and effect as establishing the charges of criminality on the part of the defendant for the purpose of impeaching him. In ad" milting this evidence the learned trial court was doubtless influenced by the case of People v. Reavey, 38 Hun, 418, where the defendant was convicted of larceny in the second degree: and while upon the stand as a witness he was -asked upon cross-examination if he had been suspended by the action of the supreme court from his office as attorney and counselor. Judge Daniels held that this was competent as affecting his credibility upon the authority of People v. Irving, supra. With all du< respect to the learned judge, we do not see that People v. Irving sustains this ruling. The distinction between showing the wit ness’ own acts and the acts of others to impeach him, which w< have pointed out, does not seem to have occurred to the learnet judge. Judge FiNOH; in People v. Irving, at page 544, in com men ting upon Nolan v. Railroad Co., supra, clearly pointed ou the distinction in this pithy statement: “There the witnes was asked, not what he had done, but what the fire departmen had done,—whether it had expelled him.” But People v Reavey is no authority for proving, under the guise of a prc ceeding to suspend an attorney, the charges made against hit upon which that suspension was obtained. The mere fact, onh of the suspension was shown. That is very different from th case at bar, where the prosecution sought to prove th *187charges upon which the the disbarment was founded, and to establish that several distinct felonies had been committed by the defendant. These different offenses the prosecution would not have been permitted to show upon any criminal trial for another crime unless it was proper to establish the intent by which the defendant committed the crime for whicli he was being tried. That the evidence of the charges against the defendant and of Ms disbarment was most prejudicial to him cannot be denied.
Upon the trial there was a closely contested question of fact as to whether the defendant received the $250 as the agent, and in a fiduciary capacity, or whether he received it upon a claim which he made in good faith for services rendered in the action of Rich against Tiffany. Several witnesses testified in behalf of the defendant, sustaining his side of this issue. Witnesses testified to sustain the side of the people, and circumstances and facts were adduced by the people to the same end. The defendant was the most important witness in his own behalf, and, if lie were disgraced and discredited, his conviction was quite certain to follow. We should not permit his conviction to stand if it has been or might have been secured by incompetent or illegal evidence. That much of this evidence was incompetent, especially that portion most dangerous to the defendant, seems to us entirely clear. The evidence before the jury that the defendant had been expelled from the church? that he bad been expelled from the bar on charges of numerous crimes and for gross misconduct in the discharge of ills professional duties, we may safely assume substantially destroyed all credit as a witness which the jury might otherwise have given Mm. These conclusions lead to a reversal of the judgment apcealed from.
The remaining point—the denial of the motion for a new trial apon the ground of newly-discovered evidence—it is hardly lecessary to consider, in view of the conclusions thus reached, cut we will dispose of that motion also. Late in the history of ;his case, and after the appeal had been taken to this court, the lefendant claimed that he had just discovered a letter from William Gr. Rich, dated July 20, 1895, which was not adnittedin evidence upon the trial, but was exceedingly mateiial *188and important to him upon such trial. An examination of that letter fails to disclose the importance attached to it by the defendant. At most, it was but cumulative evidence, and under the circumstances "under which it came to light it should not constitute a ground for a new trial. At least such was the opinion of the learned trial judge, who wrote a careful and well-considered opinion upon the subject, in which we concur.
The judgment and the order denying the motion for a new trial, made upon the minutes, should be reversed, and a new trial granted.
All concur, except Adams, J., dissenting.