(dissenting). This is a review of an order granting a new trial in an action resulting in a judgment for slander against the Kramer-Orloff Co., Ben Kramer, and Richard Orloff, in the amounts of $1,500 for damage to plaintiff’s feelings, and *404$2,500 for other damages, a total of $4,000. The judgment is joint and several.
The court granted the motion for the new trial on the sole ground that the verdict of the jury was “manifestly against the great weight of the evidence.” Defendants cross-appealed seeking mandamus to compel the trial court to grant their motion for a new trial on the specific grounds:
(1) That plaintiff failed to sustain the burden of proof that statements made by the defendants were actuated by either actual malice, or any malice whatsoever;
(2) That the verdict of $2,500 (which cross-appellant,designated as being for “loss of livelihood”) was grossly excessive;
(3) That the verdict for $1,500 “for injury to feelings” was grossly excessive.
There .is a refinement in the third ground that the judgment of $1,500 so far as the corporate defendant is.concerned was not “based” on any fair conclusion from the evidence.
Every material allegation of fact in the case is controverted. All of the relevant testimony is in direct and sharp conflict. So far as the list of calendar entries shows, no motion for a directed verdict by defendant was made either at the conclusion of plaintiff’s case nor at the conclusion of defendants’ case. All motions were made after verdict, and the trial court entered what is designated as a “restatement of grounds for granting the motion for a new. trial.” Its basic thrust is that in addition to the trial court’s conclusion in his first statement that the verdict was manifestly against the great weight of the evidence, the case involved qualified privilege, and for this reason plaintiff was burdened to establish that defendants acted without reasonable' grounds for their belief in the alleged slanderous statements. He further held that the *405burdeii on this specific issue was not met. That the trial court felt strongly in the matter is demonstrated by Ms remarks from the bench — apparently at the conclusion of argument on the motion for a new trial. He said:
“And in all the years I have been sitting here if tMs isn’t against the overwhelming weight of the evidence I don’t know what it is.”
Appellees and cross-appellants state at page 6 of their brief:
“The judge repeated this conclusion in his ‘restatement of the grounds for granting the motion for new trial’ (Appellees’ Appendix [citing pages] 2b-3b).”
"We have read pages 2b-3b assiduously and fail to find the court’s statement there included. Whether this is a printer’s error or an inadvertence upon the part of counsel for cross-appellant, we do not know. In any event the statement does appear at page 319 of the full transcript filed with us. The statement, we think, should include the context in which the court made it and we add to the truncated version:
“A motion for a new trial on the grounds that the verdict is against the great weight of the evidence can be made even if a motion for directed verdict has been denied. It must go to the jury and then if it is against the overwhelming weight of the evidence the court can grant a new trial. I couldn’t direct a verdict on it. I couldn’t do it now. I would have to give him a new trial, and in all the years I have been sitting here if this isn’t against the overwhelming weight of the evidence I don’t know what it is.” (Emphasis supplied.)
It is apparent that the trial judge recognized, as have we, from the transcript of over 300 pages that factual questions were created and those questions of necessity were submitted to the jury. This brings *406us squarely to grip with controlling issues in this case. Do we deal with a question of a verdict against the overwhelming weight of the evidence, or are we concerned with the question of the credibility of witnesses ? The first is a question of law reserved to the courts. The second is solely with the trier of the facts — in this case the jury. If the question is the former, we must tread lightly. It is well settled the granting- or denying of a new trial is a discretionary matter, and absent the plain abuse thereof, we do not interfere. Cooper v. Carr, 161 Mich 405, 412. This is the more true in granting than in refusing a new trial. Hoskin-Morainville Paper Co. v. Bates Valve Bag Corp., 268 Mich 443.*
The factual background herein is as follows: Plaintiff, a 5-year employee of defendant corporation, was discharged for stealing or complicity in stealing- and delivering to a third party for consideration scrap belonging to his employer. The alleged theft and delivery occurred in the early morning before the normal work routine in the scrap yard began. The theft, it is contended, was accomplished by the efforts of plaintiff and a fellow employee named Prank Young. The 2 bags of scrap were loaded in a truck driven to a neighboring scrap dealer and thrown over his fence before his place of business opened. The money therefor was picked up by Young later in the day, given to an unidentified friend, with instructions to deliver it to his, Young’s, wife. On the day in question, Jerome Robbins, a customer of defendant corporation who occasionally collected and stored scrap in the company yard, was preparing his scrap for sale when he noticed some was missing. Apparently not unfamiliar with the *407modus operandi of scrap thieves, he went to the nearest scrap dealer, a Joseph Olshansky. In Olshansky’s building he saw and recognized the missing scrap. After first denying he knew the source of the material, Olshansky admitted to Bobbins that he “got it off a couple of Kramer-Orloff drivers,” but declined to identify them. Bobbins returned to defendants’ office and related the foregoing to Messrs. Orloff (Bichard) and Kramer (Ben and Irving). Olshansky was thereafter called to defendant company’s office where he identified the 2 Kramer-Orloff employees; in consequence plaintiff and Young both were discharged though Young was later rehired.
It is plaintiff’s contention that he was an innocent foil. He claims he was unaware that the bags contained stolen scrap. He stresses that he was a helper and yard man with no familiarity with delivery techniques and suspected no irregularity. He claims Young solicited his aid in bringing out the scrap because the regular helper did not show up the morning in question.. In support of his position, he testified as to minimal schooling in the deep South as explaining his apparent naivete. He testified point-blank that the company was out to get him and related 3 incidents in support thereof. First, when for some trifling mistake in moving a trailer, defendant Orloff said “You black nigger get out of here or I will break your neck.” On another occasion he alleges Irving Kramer kicked him — and that he — plaintiff “drawed” a pick on him. He related a third incident involving a dispute over the amount of a check and ascribes to defendant, Ben Kramer, the statement “You black nigger, you get out of here-”
Buttressing plaintiff’s contention are the following testimonial excerpts and facts of record: Wit-' ness Olshansky, who identified plaintiff as 1 of the 2 men who sold him the stolen scrap, completely repudiated a notarized statement to this effect and *408to the further effect that plaintiff had. sold scrap to him many times before. He contended he signed it in blank at the request of defendant company so they could appeal “a case” — apparently an award to plaintiff of employment security benefits. The statement was typed and Olshansky denied he ever knew what was in it. A witness, John Markowsky, disinterested so far as the record shows, testified that Messrs. Kramer and Orloff had “a paper for me to sign” that plaintiff had been stealing but that he, Markowsky, refused because so far as he knew plaintiff “never stole nothing.” Mrs. Sloan testified that after Young and plaintiff were discharged, Young came to the Sloan home and she asked him what “he and Roy did yesterday.” She alleges that Young said:
“Roy did not do anything * * * Kathleen I am so sorry to get Roy in this mess but with those 3 big men breathing down my back I had to say something.”
Mrs. Sloan then says she asked Young:
“Why don’t you go and tell your boss what really happened.”
She claims Young replied:
“I am sorry, if I don’t get back to work, there is me and my wife and I have children to think about, and that is the reason, I am so sorry. Roy had nothing to do with it.”
Contrariwise, Young freely confesses his participation in the theft. He claimed Sloan induced him to take the scrap out; promised him it would be the last time'; instructed him to pick up the money at Olshansky’s ; tried to induce Sloan to “come clean” because he, Young, had told defendants the whole story.
Mrs. Young’s version is that Mrs. Sloan ruefully admitted:
*409“I am absolutely sorry Frank [Young] loses through Roy * * * I told Roy over and over about that stealing.”
Defendants point to the fact that the completely disinterested witness Robbins overheard plaintiff confess; that it is utterly preposterous that a 5-year •employee of a scrap dealer to contend he didn’t know that throwing unweighed, untagged, sacks of junk over a fence in the darkness wasn’t highly unusual; that Messrs. Kramer and Orloff had many Negro employees, never exhibited any animus toward them .as a race; they claim plaintiff’s equivocal testimony relating to the number of garnishments and to the number of incidents of domestic difficulty destroyed, or at least impugned, his credibility. Without detailing more testimony, it can be said that the record is replete with point-blank contradictions and outright charges and countercharges of perjury and had faith, some spontaneously shouted from the. courtroom, some in response to examination.
In the turbulence of all this conflict, the basic factual issue must be clearly set forth. It is: Did defendants here have reasonable basis to believe that plaintiff stole from them, and are they thus excused from their limited publication of the slanderous statement? On this factual issue the jury found for plaintiff and by its finding answered “No.”
The trial judge by his grant of the motion for a new trial concluded that this jury finding was against the “overwhelming” weight of the evidence. By granting the motion he said “Yes.” The grant of “the motion was an exercise of judicial discretion. The legal test to be applied is whether such action was an abuse of that discretion. However phrased or however postulated we get back to an evaluation of the testimony bearing on the controverted fact question above set out.
*410Respite appellate court’s effort to create distinguishable categories in this field of setting aside verdicts as against the “great weight” or “overwhelming weight” of the testimony, the nagging proposition remains: Where conflicting competent evidence is received the issue of credibility of the witnesses is implicit in determining great weight or overwhelming weight of that evidence. It is the rare case, indeed, where the mystic borderline is crossed, and the ever so difficult to define area is reached, where the court having concluded as he did here that controverted fact issues were created, may repudiate the jury’s finding.
Oftentimes, as here, the judicial mind does not arrogate that same degree of credibility to a witness or witnesses as does the composite lay mind of the jury. In 1881, Mr. Justice Campbell wrote:
“Courts cannot assume that the witnesses whom they would most credit are to be followed by the jury. And however much they may be discontented with the result, they cannot usurp the functions of the jury.” Marcott v. Marquette H. & O. R. Co., 47 Mich 1, 7.
Half a century and more later, Mr. Justice Bushnell noted that the Supreme Court, too, is powerless under our system to test credibility:
“The testimony * * * is in direct conflict * * * and was impeached to some extent. However, it cannot be said as a matter of law that the testimony thus impeached was deprived of all probative value or that the jury could not believe it. The credibility of witnesses is for the jury, and it is not for us to determine who is to be believed.” (Emphasis supplied.) Anderson v. Conterio, 303 Mich 75, 79.
To whatever extent the trial court or this Court-might be disinclined to believe plaintiff’s witnesses,. *411we — neither of us — may substitute our standards of credence for the constitutionally guaranteed jury determination thereof.
In support of his finding that the jury’s verdict on this issue was against the great weight of the evidence, the trial judge wrote:
“Plaintiff in his own testimony admits that he and his fellow employee, Frank Young, took these sacks of metal and threw them over the fence at 'Olshansky’s junk yard early in the morning before 'Olshansky was open for business * * * that he, * * * [the fellow employee] accused plaintiff of being the instigator * * * that * * * [plaintiff] had sold * * * [Olshansky] such scrap on numerous occasions previously. * * * That when the deposition of plaintiff was taken he never claimed that the defendants had made derogatory remarks about his race.”
Each 1 of the above assertions of fact was controverted by explanatory testimony of plaintiff, and by the repudiation of Olshansky of his notarized statement.
From the bench the court added:
“After they find the scrap and he tells them, at least they have an affidavit from him, signed, in which he says he has been buying scrap from them before, and so he comes over that morning and tells them, yes, they have been selling scrap before, and then you call in the driver and the driver says, yes, I stole it and he helped me steal it, in fact, he started it, what man in the world wouldn’t believe or wouldn’t have reason to think that the plaintiff was stealing ?”
It must be remembered in this connection that the good faith of the employer was placed in issue. The very bases advanced by defendants as supporting their belief of the plaintiff’s guilt was challenged. *412The essential thrust of plaintiffs case is that he was-framed. It is his claim that defendants were out t©“get him,” and that so to do they typed out the staterment for Olshansky to sign, induced him to sign it in blank and later filled it in and had it notarized. Thus under the theory of plaintiffs case the notarized statement could afford defendants no basis for belief in plaintiff’s guilt.
After a careful review of the whole record, we conclude in response to our previously postulated query that the issue posed in the case at bar was not, and is not, a question of the “great” or “overwhelming”' weight of all the evidence but rather a question' of the credibility of witnesses testifying to diametrically opposed assertions of fact. So concluding-we must, despite any misgivings or inclinations to-disagree, leave the test of credibility where our system reposed it — in the trier of the facts.
There is left the cross-appeal of defendants-appellants. We find commentative merit only in the question of the amount of the verdict. In this connection an error appears in the trial court’s restatement of grounds for granting a new trial. The trial judge stated that publication of the slanderous statement was limited to a “fellow employee * * * and to a prospective employer.” The latter part of the statement is incorrect. Michael Sparks testified:
“On June 24, 1958 I hired him [plaintiff] * * * when he [one of the Messrs. Kramer] said he fired him because he was stealing * * * naturally in a case like that I let him go.” (Emphasis supplied.)
Plaintiff lost actual employment, not the prospect of a job. This is relevant to the issue of damages, as it was followed by testimony of plaintiff’s hourly wage and days worked per week. This discrepancy must be noted here also by reason of the wording of *413.appellant’s statement of the question involved which .adverts to loss of income.
The jury separated the verdict as instructed into .actual damages and damages to reputation or “feelings.” Admittedly the latter is difficult of computation, but so in truth, is compensation for pain and suffering. There is almost a sense or a “feel” for excessiveness which bespeaks recriminatory or punitive jury action. It has been phrased as “shocking the judicial conscience.” However phrased the element of excessiveness does not appear here.
Schattler v. Daily Herald Co., 162 Mich 115, discusses the element of damages in cases of this type .and it is accurately noted in the syllabi:
“9. Good faith in the publication of a libelous charge in no way affects the defendant’s liability to compensate the plaintiff for his actual damages to reputation or feelings.
“10. Actual damages may be increased by reason of malice of the defendant, on the theory that the injury to the feelings is greater from a wrong wantonly inflicted than from a wrong done in good faith.”
We detect no evidence of jury disregard for the limits of awardable compensation under the testimony relating to damages.
The order of the trial court granting a new trial should be reversed and set aside. The ease should be remanded with directions to enter judgment on the jury verdict. Appellant may tax costs.
Souris and Smith, JJ., concurred with O’Hara, J.